This came in my email from a friend. This is another excellent reason to turn to God for guidance, rather then depend on what the world is telling and teaching you. Everything under the line below, was copied from the email. This message is the only part that I have added. __________________________________________________________ This was written by a woman born in Egypt as a Muslim. This is not hearsay, and it will scare the life out of you. Make sure you read the paragraph (in red) towards the end. Joys of Muslim Women by Nonie Darwish In the Muslim faith, a Muslim man can marry a child as young as 1 year old and have sexual intimacy with this child. Consummating the marriage by 9. The dowry is given to the family in exchange for the woman (who becomes his slave) and for the purchase of the private parts of the woman, to use her as a toy. Even though a woman is abused, she cannot obtain a divorce. To prove rape, the woman must have (4) male witnesses. Often after a woman has been raped, she is returned to her family and the family must return the dowry. The family has the right to execute her (an honor killing) to restore the honor of the family. Husbands can beat their wives 'at will' and he does not have to say why he has beaten her. The husband is permitted to have (4 wives) and a temporary wife for an hour (prostitute) at his discretion. The Shariah Muslim law controls the private as well as the public life of the woman. In the West World ( America ), Muslim men are starting to demand Sharia Law so the wife cannot obtain a divorce and he can have full and complete control of her. It is amazing and alarming how many of our sisters and daughters attending American Universities are now marrying Muslim men and submitting themselves and their children unsuspectingly to the Sharia law. By passing this on, enlightened American women may avoid becoming a slave under Sharia Law. Ripping the West in Two. Author and lecturer Nonie Darwish says the goal of radical Islamists is to impose Sharia law on the world, ripping Western law and liberty in two. She recently authored the book, Cruel and Usual Punishment: The Terrifying Global Implications of Islamic Law. Darwish was born in Cairo , spent her childhood in Egypt and Gaza before immigrating to America in 1978, when she was eight years old. Her father died while leading covert attacks on Israel . He was a high-ranking Egyptian military officer stationed with his family in Gaza . When he died, he was considered a "Shahid," a martyr for jihad. His posthumous status earned Nonie and her family an elevated position in Muslim society. But Darwish developed a skeptical eye at an early age. She questioned her own Muslim culture and upbringing. She converted to Christianity after hearing a Christian preacher on television. In her latest book, Darwish warns about creeping Sharia law - what it is, what it means, and how it is manifested in Islamic countries. For the West, she says radical Islamists are working to impose Sharia on the world. If that happens, Western civilization will be destroyed. Westerners generally assume all religions encourage a respect for the dignity of each individual. Islamic law (Sharia) teaches that non-Muslims should be subjugated or killed in this world. Peace and prosperity for one's children is not as important as assuring that Islamic law rules everywhere in the Middle East and eventually in the world. While Westerners tend to think that all religions encourage some form of the golden rule, Sharia teaches two systems of ethics - one for Muslims and another for non-Muslims. Building on tribal practices of the seventh century, Sharia encourages the side of humanity that wants to take from and subjugate others. While Westerners tend to think in terms of religious people developing a personal understanding of and relationship with God, Sharia advocates executing people who ask difficult questions that could be interpreted as criticism. It's hard to imagine, that in this day and age, Islamic scholars agree that those who criticize Islam or choose to stop being Muslim should be executed. Sadly, while talk of an Islamic reformation is common and even assumed by many in the West, such murmurings in the Middle East are silenced through intimidation. While Westerners are accustomed to an increase in religious tolerance over time, Darwish explains how petro dollars are being used to grow an extremely intolerant form of political Islam in her native Egypt and elsewhere. In twenty years, there will be enough Muslim voters in the U.S. to elect the President by themselves! Rest assured they will do so... You can look at how they have taken over several towns in the USA. Dearborn Mich. is one... and there are others. I think everyone in the U.S. should be required to read this, but with the ACLU, there is no way this will be widely publicized, unless each of us sends it on! It is too bad that so many are disillusioned with life and Christianity to accept Muslims as peaceful.... some may be but they have an army that is willing to shed blood in the name of Islam the peaceful support the warriors with their finances and own kind of patriotism to their religion. While America is getting rid of Christianity from all public sites and erasing God from the lives of children, the Muslims are planning a great jihad on America . This is your chance to make a difference...! Pass it on to your email list or at least those you think will listen. Some of those I'm sending it to WILL NOT! Put your head back under the covers so you can't see the boogieman! "Every experience God gives us, every person He puts in our lives, is the perfect preparation for the future only He can see."

Turn to God for guidance? How about secular law established for the current day and age? Let's see what your Bible says about the below:
The Bible has no such age limits on marriage or sexual relationships. The US secular law, does. 18 years of age.
There is no just cause for divorce according to the Bible: "So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate" - Matt 6:19 (I think)

Secular law allows for divorce for any reasons as "petty" as living in misery.
The Bible says nothing about husbands being allowed to beat their wives, but certain about shutting them up in church -- and about beating their slaves.

Secular law allows for no such physical abuse.
They are just being true to their book that they believe is the word of God. Christians managed to discount their god's similar commands of stoning people to death, as an "old convenant". The only difference I see here is that the Muslims have more integrity.
This is such ignorant, bigoted, nonsense. Enough with the holy wars already. Enough with spreading hatred. The only "jihad" happening is by the Christian extremists who write this kind of diatribe, intolerant of people with beliefs different from theirs. Yes, I think this kind of law is crazy -- just like I think Biblical law is crazy. Let's live our human lives by human laws, and live by the law of the gods when we are in the land of land of the gods.

Answering back to Bo, You said, The Bible has no such age limits on marriage or sexual relationships. The US secular law, does. 18 years of age. I don't recall where it was ever written that children were being sold off in marriage or given to a man for sexual pleasure. You said, There is no just cause for divorce according to the Bible: "So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate" - Matt 6:19 (I think) How many marriages do you think take place or have taken place, that God had a hand in it. I would bet that far more marriages have been performed out of lust then what God had joined together. Matthew 5, According to this, we are not to give an oath in marriage. 31 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement: 32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery. 33 Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths: 34 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne: 35 Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King. 36 Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black. 37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil. These words are Temporal blessings, telling us how we should live our lives in the world, to avoid the evil of the world. You said, Secular law allows for divorce for any reasons as "petty" as living in misery. So true.Had it not been so easy, I would have most likely be celebrating my 50th anniversary this year, with my first husband. We might have killed each other over the years, but I would have been blessed in my old age. My last marriage was the only one I could honestly say that God brought us together. It was my 2nd marriage to him. the first time I married him, it ended in divorce after three years. I didn't even want to marry him, but thank God that I did. Had I not, I would be living on 364.00 a month right now instead of the decent living that I have. Oh ya! God knew what He was doing. You said, The Bible says nothing about husbands being allowed to beat their wives, but certain about shutting them up in church -- and about beating their slaves. Secular law allows for no such physical abuse. Oh, we didn't beat our slaves? You said, This is such ignorant, bigoted, nonsense. Enough with the holy wars already. Enough with spreading hatred. The only "jihad" happening is by the Christian extremists who write this kind of diatribe, intolerant of people with beliefs different from theirs. Yes, I think this kind of law is crazy -- just like I think Biblical law is crazy. Let's live our human lives by human laws, and live by the law of the gods when we are in the land of land of the gods. Well what the hell did you start this web site for if you don't want to let it carry itself through to the truth that you are or were seeking? You go ahead and keep your head stuck in the sand. One day you will be having it for lunch.

Linda, When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

"Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD. Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." (Numbers 31:16-18)

Thanks Josh,

I know that there is a lot in the old testament, just as some have said on here, that it turned them away from believing in the Word of God. I don't understand a lot of it myself. It was written for the children of Israel when God was leading them through the wilderness. During that time, God also made the children pay for the sins of the fathers through the third and forth generations.

In the New testament, came a new way of life and we should be following that way of life to this day. It is all laid out for us to understand.

I don't know much, but what I do know causes me to want to be full of understanding, for what ever happens upon the earth. Most likely nothing will of any great change, during my life time, but at least I want my child and her children and their children to have the right tools to be able to survive what comes at them.

Over the past 20 years, had I not had the knowledge that I was given, God only knows where I would be and what kind of shape I would be in. I would probably be in a grave, without hope, twice dead. Thats all Im saying!

When these things began to happen, and you had turned away from receiving wisdom and knowledge concerning them, what will you do? What are you going to teach your children, as how to survive in a world controlled by so much evil?

First, lets do our homework. The posted article is what is known as an Urban Legend. Nonie Darwish did not write it and a little bit of digging on Nonie Darwish reveals that she lives in America in California and is a Christian who was once a Muslim but left and came to America with considerable wealth from her oppressed islamic life back in Egypt. This crap has been floating around the net since 2009.

http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/religion/a/joys_of_muslim_women.htm

Second, I have been to a muslim country. More than one actually and live amongst a vast Muslim community here in London. Sure there are fringe elements in all of these places that want to see Sharia be the law of the land but the majority of muslims want nothing of the sort and the last time I checked, no government has converted to Sharia law since 2009 and there is no government about to convert, infact it seems they are going the other way. So its all scare mongering, prejudicial, sewage. As we accept the Old Testament as ... Old Hat..... and not inline with current biblical thinking, so Sharia is to most muslims.

Now that you know it is urban legend and falsely attributed, maybe forward it on with a copy of the link so that folks know what they are really looking at.

Alison, Yes, she admits that she didn't write what I posted from my email, but then through the link that you posted, she has a conversation, telling the very same things that were in the so called legend. She wrote this book, Cruel and Usual Punishment (Interview) Exclusive: Cruel and Usual Punishment: The Terrifying Global Implications of Islamic Law Why would you make the statement you made, yet leave out the mention of her book?

I'm not saying these are reasons enough to throw out the bible. However, it is quite clear that it is not infallible. It is not perfect, and it is not a fit for a guide to life. There are good parts, which is why it is important to study it and learn what we can, but we must accept that it is not perfect so that we can manuever through the poor parts.

Unfortunatly, there are those who refuse to accept that it is not perfect, so they accept the negative parts, if not asdirect guidence but influence upon their decisions. Thats why some theists believe things like women should be inferior to man, or that murder, torture, and tyranny is okay when it is done by or for god.

I hate that this disgusting book turns believers into digsusting people.

Linda, I urge you to break these belittling bonds that religion holds you under. I doubt you would be so prejudice in certain areas, were you not influenced by outside sources.

Hi Linda,

I, too, am very much against Sharia Law. It's basically Old Testament mentality all over again, except without modern secular law to prevent such barbarity.

I am pleased that you admit you are somewhat baffled by the Old Testament god that permitted such barbarity; acknowledging that they were in fact immoral, unjust, and according to our standards, evil!

Understanding that you believe this god has existence and is the same god you worship today, how is it that you seek to bring to our attention this barbaric Sharia Law, while ignoring the fact that they are almost identical to the laws of your own god?

Are the laws evil, or righteous? Clearly you agree they are evil. So why are they evil when by another religion but not evil when by yours?

This baffles me!

Linda

The authorship of a book was not what was posted. The article entitled Joys of Muslim Women was posted. I simply looked it up and posted that it was the same email that had been going around since 2009 and it was false, just like many of the claims in the email.

There is not a shred of evidence that American muslims favor Sharia law and want to see it adopted in the United States. The few mentions of it that I have found have been isolated cases with no backing by muslim communities. You are supporting the defamation of another religion with completely inaccurate information that promotes prejudice and ignorance. Now while it is your right to support whatever email you receive and find valid, it is not your right to post the slander and falsehoods here unchallenged.

There is good in both Islam and Christianity and just as Christians do not like to contend with Old Testament diatribe and fundamentalism, the Muslims would appreciate the same in return. I do not subscribe to either faith but I wouldn't sit here and let someone post a Fred Phelps sermon and warn the world about Christianity either without speaking out.

Alison

Alison, You said, You are supporting the defamation of another religion with completely inaccurate information that promotes prejudice and ignorance. Now while it is your right to support whatever email you receive and find valid, it is not your right to post the slander and falsehoods here unchallenged. I wasn't supporting anything. I just put up a email, for pete's sake. So you challenged it. I did what you told me to do. I did my homework. Now your still not happy. You know Alison, I have known many Cubans who came to the US after Castro's rule. They told me about the way life was and how desperate they were to leave and get out of Cuba. I owned a Mexican bar for 4 Ω years. Those who could speak the language, told me how poor their country is and why they came here to work and send money home to their families. Now, I have read what this woman has written in her interview about her book. She was born and raised as a muslim. Her father was involved with the politics of her country. Why shouldn't I be just as free to share something about Muslims, as any of you do about what you know. You said, There is good in both Islam and Christianity and just as Christians do not like to contend with Old Testament diatribe and fundamentalism, the Muslims would appreciate the same in return. I do not subscribe to either faith but I wouldn't sit here and let someone post a Fred Phelps sermon and warn the world about Christianity either without speaking out. Speak out all you like, So will I.

Josh,

How is my debating for what I believe, any different from what you or others debate about what you believe?

My influences are from within, unlike you who is seeking for a way out of feeling guilt or condemned by the why you have been brought up to know and understand. You are the one who needs a reality check.

You said, Linda, I urge you to break these belittling bonds that religion holds you under. I doubt you would be so prejudice in certain areas, were you not influenced by outside sources.

Would you please explain what you mean here?

Well, Ace, I guess thats where Christ comes in. I believe in the New testament. I believe in the love of God. You believe that He doesn't exists . I believe He's all good. You believe in nothing. That baffles me!

You can throw acusations all you like Linda. It doesnt change a thing. I search for the truth, analayze what I learn and make the best decisions possible. You base all your decisions(do you not), at the core, to the Bible, or what you beleive to be the word of god.

I have accepted my faults and do what I can to improve them. I dont try to disgard them as if they were nothing. I dont wxpect spilt blood to work as magic to wash away my faults. I can live knowing I am not perfect, of course it is my goal to be the best person I can be, which is one reason I dont allow negative influences such as some of hte things in the bible.
Religion belittles you, it belittles me, it belittles all of humanity, putting a select few(not just god) above others and destroying the rights of humanity.

Your prejudices? Against women, homesexuality, agaisnt the authority and power of women, etc.

@Linda Now, I have read what this woman has written in her interview about her book. She was born and raised as a muslim. Her father was involved with the politics of her country. Why shouldn't I be just as free to share something about Muslims, as any of you do about what you know. What do you "know" about Muslims. How many have you spoken to? How much do you know about their faith outside of the example of the article that you have presented here.
I invite you learn about the faith and encourage you to seek out a Muslim and you might be surprised at what you have in common faith wise.
This is an excellent documentary that will help.

PART 1

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4222791480425043142#

PART 2

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4222791480425043142#docid=7502243539190558658

I hate that this disgusting book turns believers into digsusting people.


Thanks for that buddy, I will remember that it is a spoon that will make you fat. Linda, I urge you to break these belittling bonds that religion holds you under. I doubt you would be so prejudice in certain areas, were you not influenced by outside sources.


...bonds... but is this not spiritual kind of talk? Do you admit here that there is a spiritual side to things?

Just curious ...

Hi Linda,

I asked: "Are the laws evil, or righteous? Clearly you agree they are evil. So why are they evil when by another religion but not evil when by yours?"

You wrote: "Well, Ace, I guess thats where Christ comes in. I believe in the New testament. I believe in the love of God."

That's great, but you evaded the question. I want you to answer why those laws are evil when by another religion, but not evil when by yours?

@ Josh, You need to understand something Josh. I don't just have faith in God. I lost any need for faith twenty years ago, when He poured out His spirit on me. I began to live in a new reality and became aware of the power of life through His spirit. My bible is my search engine, just like Google is yours. You said,I search for the truth, analyze what I learn and make the best decisions possible. Well, you keep searching young man. I wish you the best. You said, Religion belittles you, it belittles me, it belittles all of humanity, putting a select few(not just god) above others and destroying the rights of humanity. I agree with you. I found religion to be destructive to lost souls trying to fit in with the members of several churches that I personally visited. You said, Your prejudices? Against women, homosexuality, against the authority and power of women. Heres the truth Josh and its not what you keep turning the truth into. I am not prejudice. Let me refries what I meant by the women. Now, I get along great with God fearing women. Women who have that sweet spirit of God. Its those who don't have it that I have a problem with. On another thread, there is talk about talking snakes and other foolishness. I see Eve as that slithery snake, forked tongue, listening to her own desires rather then obeying what her husband told her not to do. The curse that God put on the serpent was hatred between His seed and her seed. She was the mother of all living. I don't dislike anyone, but I sure don't like the spirit that some people walk in or speak through. You remember when Bo posted the question for all to answer how they felt about Gays? Best I remember, I was the only one who made a statement. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't remember anyone else commenting. Whats up with that? Are you all afraid to say how you really feel. Do all of you really believe that there is nothing unusual or unnatural about two members of the same sex sharing the roll of lovers? That isn't being pre justice Josh, thats being real. I have no ill will towards those who feel that confusion. I just don't accept it as morally right and believe that there is something supernatural going on that is causing this. You want truth, listen to it. You want logic, figure it out.

Im sure that there was a reason for God to have handled life, the way that He handled it back during the days of Moses.

But after the cross, there was no more reason to continue with the old testament bondage. The cross forgave the sins and released God's spirit into the world, so that man could receive freedom from the bondage of sin that man could't keep from living in.

Those religions that continue to hold people in bondage, are not of Christ, for He sat us free.

@ Linda,

I asked: "..why those laws are evil when by another religion, but not evil when by yours?"

You wrote: "Im sure that there was a reason for God to have handled life, the way that He handled it back during the days of Moses. ...But after the cross, there was no more reason to continue with the old testament bondage."

That's great. But I didn't ask about his reasons (you can't possibly know). I'm asking WHY those laws are EVIL when by another religion, but not evil when by yours?


Do you understand that you opened this thread by showing how Sharia Law was evil? And do you also understand that those same laws (very similar - like stoning women) were instituted by your God?

Same laws

instituted by THEIR god
instituted by YOUR god

How is it that THEIRS is evil, while yours is not?

Same laws

Please answer why the laws of your god are evil when implemented by another religion but NOT evil when implemented by yours.

You are doing everything possible to avoid the obvious truth. Why is that? Face the truth. (You cannot be turning your back to any god, while "facing" the truth. Does this make sense?)

I think I understand what Linda is saying. The old Biblical laws seem evil, but God must have had a good reason -- after all, he is the perfectly good God. After Jesus, those laws are no longer applicable.

If that is the idea, the question changes a bit. These strict Muslim laws (that very few follow or want to follow) are on equal ground with the crazy evil laws of the OT. The Christians think Jesus made those laws obsolete (despite Matt 5:17-20) but the Muslims do not have a Jesus to make their ancient laws obsolete. So the question is, if your God "must have had a reason" for those horrible laws before Jesus, why can't their God have a reason?

@ Ace,

Bo did answer your question, so I don't need to add to that, but then Bo posed another question.

@ Bo,

You know what, Maybe they have the same God as we do. But they also have an intercessor, Jihad.

You know, I believe in Jesus Christ, but I don't worship Him. I worship God. God is the one who speaks to my heart and showed me what to believe and understand. Don't the muslims worship Jihad and follow what he laid out for rules to follow? I would bet that those who are turning away from the Islam beliefs, are those who have found God and have seen the truth.

Interesting. Do you think Jesus was God? Is so, does it matter what you call him? You treading in the dangerous waters of polytheism.
Or it could be Satan, Krishna, some Indian spirit, or an unlimited number of other gods/spirits.
Jihad is the term for holy war... I think you mean Muhammad? It is quite the opposite. Muslims do not give god status to Muhammad -- they believe was a prophet of God. Christians are the one that rose their key figure to God status by not just making him equal to God - but actually making him God.
I would bet it is reality they found, not God.

Bo, You said, Do you think Jesus was God? Is so, does it matter what you call him? You treading in the dangerous waters of polytheism. I said that I believe in Jesus, that He was God in the flesh. I do not vision his form or likeness as a man when I pray or focus my thoughts towards God. I feel the pain and suffering that Jesus went through as a human, but know the power that he felt inside. You said, Or it could be Satan, Krishna, some Indian spirit, or an unlimited number of other gods/spirits. If it were Satan, why would he go against his own. He would defeat himself. Those who know God, recognize the spirit that is in me. You and those of you who are of the Devil, recognize each other, don't you? Reality, That a good word Bo. I think I'll use it and add my definition. Mine is in Blue. Everything else is copied from the dictionary. the world or the state of things as they actually exist, as opposed to an idealistic or notional idea of them : he refuses to face reality | Laura was losing touch with reality. I know the truth, so that is reality. • a thing that is actually experienced or seen, esp. when this is grim or problematic : the harsh realities of life in a farming community | the law ignores the reality of the situation. I actually experienced a spiritual infilling and know how real ( reality)the spiritual world is. • a thing that exists in fact, having previously only existed in one's mind : the paperless office may yet become a reality. I had faith that God was real, then He gave me His spirit, making it a reality. • the quality of being lifelike or resembling an original : the reality of Marryat's detail. What the Disciples saw, when they saw Jesus, after his death was the reality that he lives. 2 the state or quality of having existence or substance : youth, when death has no reality. Being among the members of a spiritual warfare and witnessing the actual results in the end. • Philosophy existence that is absolute, self-sufficient, or objective, and not subject to human decisions or conventions. I think this one speaks for it self.

You said, Or it could be Satan, Krishna, some Indian spirit, or an unlimited number of other gods/spirits. If it were Satan, why would he go against his own. He would defeat himself. Those who know God, recognize the spirit that is in me. You and those of you who are of the Devil, recognize each other, don't you? If I were Satan, I would deceive humans into believing they are listening to God instead of me. I would give them warm and fuzzy feelings to make them think I am good. Then, I would keep them away from education and worldly knowledge, so they only "knew" what I told them. I would lead them to believe that 80% of the world's population is evil, and even they are worthless sinners. I would lead them to believe that women are not as good as men are. I would have them hate people who make mistakes in life, like those in our prison system. I would lead them to rebel against their own government. I would stir up hatred in the individual for those with beliefs that are different. Then, I would make all those who are possessed by my spirit recognize others who are as well -- and allow them to all call me "God". If I were Satan, that's what I would do.